Archives for April 2009

Confronting the Other Man: No Remorse – Bad Sign

The major intent of confronting the other person is usually to break up the affair, generate some sort of shift in the triangle (spouse, other person and cheating spouse) so there is a movement toward resolution.

This wounded spouse had a big strike against him and he was aware of it. His cheating spouse was showing no remorse, no guilt, no fear. It would seem her mind was made.

But, I’ve bumped into many who seemed hell bent on continuing the affair (especially the “I Fell out of Love… and just love being in love”) but at some point make a radical shift and end the affair.

Usually the cheating spouse in the “Fell out of love” affair has some “softness” about him/her. I get the impression the cheating wife below had a “hardness” about her.

So, he appeals to the other man, in hopes he has some sensitivity.

Was it a mistake to tell the other person not to tell the cheating wife about the confrontation? Most likely. And he is aware of this mistake. It fanned the fumes of the affair.

In hindsight, the wounded husband could have gotten about 2 inches from her eyebrows and said, “I’m not tolerating this anymore. I do not share my wife with another person. I’m confronting the other man to find out what he’s made of. And, I want you to know this.”

That intervention would have tested her “hardness” and resolve as well as state a very clear position which is not only attractive but very healthy.

He probably had little to lose with this sort of confrontation.

Here’s the case study:

1. What was your purpose for confronting the OP and what did you say/do?

My purpose for confronting the other man was partly to bring it out into the open that I knew who he was. I also hoped that he would back off and give me time to try and save my marriage. I had learned who he was by secretly reading my wife’s e-mail (after she had admitted being involved with someone). I also knew from the e-mail that he seemed to feel much more guilt about the situation than my wife did (my wife seemed to feel no guilt whatsoever). I asked him if he was the one my wife was involved with. He said yes. I asked him to back off and he said he would. I also asked him not to tell my wife we had talked, and he said he couldn’t do that because he would have to explain to her why he was backing off.

2. What happened? What was the outcome?

My wife was extremely upset when I told her I had talked to him and immediately went to see him. In the short term I think he did back off a little, at least as far as sex, and stopped letting her stay overnight. They continued to see each other, though. My request that he not tell her made me look sneaky and made my wife angry that I was “interfering with her life”. My wife moved out several months later, is still involved with the other man, and we’re proceeding towards divorce. My wife has even gone as far as introducing him to our children as her friend.

3. If you were to do it again, would you do it differently? What did you learn?

I would have avoided asking him not to tell her we had talked. I’m not sure if there was a way I could have handled a confrontation that would have had a more positive outcome.

Internet Cyber-Affair Obsession

Yes, the internet is dangerous for some. It provides an avenue, one never before experienced in our world, in which the deepest fantasies, fetishes and insecurities of good people can be played out…without ever getting to know someone!

Chatting, emailing, phone calls, and/or phone sex with someone living miles or countries away tug and pull at some who at one level are grabbed and held by an inner world of unfulfilled erotic or emotional powers stirred once the fingers hit the keyboard.

It’s a form of the “I Can’t Say No Affair” that is not played out in strip clubs or with prostitutes but with “cyber friends.” The guilt and shame is still there, most of the time, especially when “caught.”

This activity is easily rationalized – “It doesn’t mean anything! It’s just a game! I just like chatting! No one is getting hurt! – and so forth – all from the comfort of one’s laptop.

But, it does severely limit one’s personal evolution and the evolution of greater intimacy in the marriage.

Read what this woman has to say:

I wanted to find out why my husband did what he did. I thought we had a good marriage but I know now that It was not my fault. This was the third cyberaffair he had. He admitted that he wanted to prove himself that he’s still desirable by chatting and long phone conversation. I forgave him again and again hoping he would stop. I’m afraid it won’t be the last time but I refuse to give up yet. Even though it went as far as emotional affairs but it’s still hurt bad. We still love each other and every time he cried and admitted that he didn’t understand himself why he did it. May be he needs professional help?. May be I’m in denial. He would tell me everything about the affairs. He would answered all my questions. We would have our “Real talk” and then forgive and forget. Neither of us want a divorce. After 20 yrs of marriage when he started his first cyberaffair and that was 6 -7 yrs ago. Second affair was within 12 mos and then this. If he really regret it and really wants to stop it all, we’ll be celebrating our 27 yrs anniversary this May. All in all he is a good husband and a good father and a good man and I know in my heart that he loves me. I do prepare myself for the future if he does it again, I love him enough to let him go and do whatever he pleases. I still respect him and also I do respect myself. Thank you very much for your info and your e-book. It really gave me peace of mind to know that I am not alone and my feelings were not crazy. You answered my questions and helped me get through my day with dignity. Understanding his behavior helped me deal with the situation and made me want to find more info and answers to help “HIM”. Everyday I longed for you e-mail and more info to help me cope with confusion and hurts. I felt a whole lot better than a few weeks ago when I found out from our cell phone bill that he had secret phone calls while I was away(out of the country with my mom).

Confronting the Other Woman: Take Off Blinders

When confronting the other woman or other man, it is important to study, research, and reading to know what possibly faces you.

Do not assume that the other person will listen to you or even come close to agreeing with your situation.

Do not assume that the other person is thinking clearly (a characteristic of infidelity is thinking marked by delusions and rationalizations.)

Do not assume the other person cares about you. An affair is marked by intense personal need meeting and that assumes all priority.

Take some time to reflect on the type of affair your spouse has chosen. That will guide you in the way you approach the other person.

If you spouse is strongly aligned with the other person and does not exhibit ambivalence about the affair, confronting the other person does not stand a good chance of succeeding.

Here’s a case study of a woman who gave little forethought to the confrontation (although it was a great learning experience for her):

1. What was your purpose for confronting the OP and what did you say/do?

I wanted to let her know what she was doing to me and to my children. I wanted her to know that it was not the fantasy that she envisioned but was reality because there was a wife and children.

2. What happened? What was the outcome?

She did not care and went on acting as if she was the wife and not the mistress. They grew closer and I was the outsider.

3. If you were to do it again, would you do it differently? What did you learn?

I’m not sure that I wouldn’t do it again. I can’t say. I would do some things differently such as not giving them the power they had over me. I let them control the situation. I learned that you can’t change anyone unless they want to be changed.