Archives for April 2009

Infidelity Support: Infidelity Chat Room

Many find the chat room a place of healing and comfort. If you find it helpful to talk through your concerns, want to feel that you are not alone and are looking for some friends, Please try out the chat room.

Here are some comments by chat room visitors:

1. List 2-3 ways the Chat Room has played a significant part in your “recovery.”

1. I am able to tell people who understand how I feel in a safe,distant, but compforting and friendly place. 2. I found that I have advice too, and helping someone else makes me feel good.

I am the WS and its good to hear BS’s feelings. My BS is also a memeber and we go into chat together, so people can see R is possible. I thank god for the chat room, when I ‘took off’ ,u H had a place to talk to people in the same situation.

reassurance that im not going crazy, other people in my shoes, and suppory in recovering my marriage

I can say exactly what is on my mind. The people know the pain I am going through

gives me a place for a group therapy session gives an outlet with those who have experienced the same level of pain and agony that I am going though provides hope with those who have survived

2. What are a couple pieces of advice you would give a newbie to the Chat Room?

1. Be open and honest. The people in the chat room are friendly and care. They will become your friends if you allow them to. 2. Never be angry or judgmental in the room, everyone in there on either side of the fence is hurting and needs/wants help.

R is a long process, forgivness plays a big part in the recovery. Vent all you want, we’re here to sipport you.

There are people here from both sides, listen and dont be afraid to share even your dark

Speak freely and say exactly how you are feelingthoughts

do not be afraid to tell your story, everyone here is or has walked in your shoes

Confronting the Teacher – Student “Affair”

You read about it in the newspapers rather frequently, the student – teacher affair. They are obviously extremely messy when made public.

At their core, this affair may fall into the “I Need to Prove My Desirability” type of affair. Long standing patterns of thinking, welded together by past sexual trauma of some nature (usually buried in the unconscious) create a scenario in which a young man in this case, becomes a powerful trigger for emotions.

I could go further here and there are more reasons for such an affair, but let’s leave it at that.

The important consideration here is the action of the husband in intervening.

In the affair triangle there is a persecutor or aggressor (the wife in this case) the victim (the young man) and the rescuer (the husband, in this case.)

Charging neutral usually means that the wounded spouse refuses to play any of those roles. The wounded spouse may make direct, reality oriented statement and strongly declare his/her position but avoid the other roles since those roles tend to perpetuate the “affair game.”

However, in the case below, it is important that the wounded husband take a strong role in intervening in the affair. This is done to minimize the hurt and pain of all parties and get the intensive help needed for his cheating wife. He is not only protecting the young man (who is in a position of powerlessness) but offering to his wife the possibility for healing… if she will take it.

Here’s the case study:

1. What was your purpose for confronting the OP and what did you say/do?

This was a high school student (21 – older than normal) that my wife taught for 4 years and fell in love with. I confronted him a year ago when I first knew something was amiss, before I had known it was already physical, and asked him as one man to another to stay away and allow my wife and I to reconnect. I reasoned with him that would he want his girlfriend to have another male as a “best friend.” I was encouraged to confront him by my Bishop–the young man needed to know that he was affecting the lives of five children. It was by phone. He felt bad, terminated the relationship–but about 6 weeks later my wife pursued and “tempted” him to start it back up again (she was massively emotionally attached). I spoke with him another time, after I read the first e-mail that confirmed–to my horror–that a LOT more was happening that I ever suspected (motels every week, leaving school early to go to a motel, meeting behind the Home Depot, etc., etc.). He denied it completely but I plead with him to stay away. He did, for about 6 weeks. The next confrontation was by phone when my wife stayed in a motel for a week during valentines week to “sort things out.” I came by the night before she was to return to make sure she felt welcome just as he was entering her motel room with a key. I was very upset and my wife talked with me in the hall and he slipped out the window (bottom floor). I then called him and pleaded with him to stay away. He was belligerent (for the first time), suggested we “fight for her,” and said she was pursuing him. I even mentioned I would tell his folks, he just didn’t care. Things went up an down. I took my wife and kids to Hawaii to get away–she stayed away for six weeks. This summer I took my wife and two older boys to Paris and London. Two weeks afterward, I suspected she was going to see him (she has lived in her own apt for 4 months) so I went over to talk with her. I checked her window to ensure she was awake, but saw she was dressed down in a teddy and putting on perfume. I moved away and was just trying to figure out how I proceed when the kid showed up sneaking around the back before I even got to the door. In this case I approached him, he smiled at me and then pushed me when I got close (last time I met him I just put my arm around him (I am 25 years older) and pulled him aside to talk. I could have called the police or let him take a shot at me like it appeared he would do. So, I figured he had initiated it and I decked him (really hard). When he got up he started running and I ran after him (been working on a marathon to remove the stress). He finally got away (lucky for me–he’s a bigger kid). My wife “found me” as I was walking back to my car and convinced me to talk. I told her it was time for a divorce and painted the terrible picture of what was going to happen (as a teacher of this kid her consequences were not just divorce). She finally knew that I had had enough and was throwing in the towel to our 17 years and five kids (who she would loose). She called me the next morning and finally confessed everything that had ever happened. She couldn’t believe her life and what she had become and that she was crying all night. She then proposed a reconciliation plan which included getting rid of her cell, moving back in, and affair proofing her marriage. She also went to our Bishop (LDS) and confessed everything to get it out into the light. That was 1 1/2 weeks ago. Today she said to bring the van over to pick up her furniture from the apartment. It will be a LONG and difficult road back… if we make it. But this is the first step in a year long battle of my life. There are dynamics I don’t understand. One confident was proud of me and said she finally saw her husband as her protector again–knowing she was about to do something really bad and being saved just before she did it. The kid may have also just told her he had had enough and I got her back out of default. I am still scared to death and am cautious with each step–but this is what I have waited for… just the chance. We’ll see what happens. In the meantime, I am still holding to the changes I made when I realized the problems in my marriage so I am a different person for her to come back to (I wasn’t “bad” but I worked too many hours, had to many hobbies not in common, didn’t do my fair share with the kids and would get angry (cold, not violent) when she was cold to me. Now I charge forward neutral, discover her needs and meet them, and try to stay positive in this mess. We’ll see…

2. What happened? What was the outcome?

She is back in our home

3. If you were to do it again, would you do it differently? What did you learn?

I did everything I could imagine using several different approaches. I would not do anything different except maybe “chase” this kid away sooner and give her a chance to go through all the withdrawals enough to get her sanity back.

Healing the Marriage after Infidelity: Baby Steps

Ever see the movie, “What about Bob?” Enjoyable movie that I’ve taken a bunch of flak for over the years… in a good way.

Baby steps… remember? Sage advice really.

And, how many of us in the throes of infidelity want to take “baby steps?”

Not many.

We want the pain to go away now and we want resolution now.

That’s not reality, however.

It’s the small steps that begin the process and build on each other. Read what this person says while beginning to delve into my ebook: Marriage Makeover:

“(we are just starting and he still knows nothing about this book or info) 1. The process has just started by my getting the book, and trying to gain the needed information, reading it, understanding the affair, and putting everything into perspective, trying to absorb all of the info and putting into practice the things that I learned and watching the results. 2. we took a vacation…. the op still tried to call his cell, but he ignored it…, but we just had fun and spent time…. “neutral” so to speak, just doing something different to see if we still enjoyed each others company or not…. We had a good time, part of it I would go ahead and go swimming by myself and shopping by myself, and just left him in the room. Or I did window shopping by myself so he could see that I didn’t have to be “attached” to him to have a good time… it helped me too… also, I stopped holding his hand instead I would just walk beside him. He started to reach out for me more often. I learned to not “expect” anything and to bite the sides of my mouth if I had to in order to be more control of what I really want to say… 3. my changed responses and reactions to his typical insults and rudeness did cause him to have to change his responses…. and actions. He doesn’t know that he is not the one in charge of the situation right now…. He still thinks that he is in control, but he is still so out of control and focus…. this does give me the strength I need to take care of myself and my daughter and to make a plan and decisions that I need… so as a couple we have a long way to go, but he has started to make future plans for “us”, like a 10 year commitment in a time share, a new security system that will take time to pay off, and up-grading our health insurance policies for better coverage… and talking about his possible upcoming promotion and the possibity that I may be able to work less and be home more… (which is one thing he really needs and that is for me to be home for him when he is off work.) Note * your information is right on…. while no one else seems to think that a marriage can be saved or worth it…. you and your information does offer another solution to choose from… thatnks… the things that I have tried do work… I still don’t know if it will work, but it is certainly worth a try…. I have already invested 16 years into this “relationship” and so why not try something new that might help… thanks for all you do.