Archives for March 2009

Confronting the Other Man: Macho May Work

As I’ve read through more than a hundred stories of confronting the other person, a theme begins to emerge. A high number confront the other person to establish some type of control or power in their situation. Sometimes it works. Sometimes the confrontation is a disaster.

Of course, this follows my theory that affairs are different and it takes different strategies for different types of affairs to insure a successful intervention.

The person below realized that his confrontation involved his need to be “macho.”

But, it had a powerful impact. My guess: she was involved in a “I fell out of love…and just love being in love type of affair. She was playing and got caught.

Side note: the confrontation enables this man to free himself from the infidelity and blame.

One final thought that this confrontation teaches: You must NOT bluff when you walk out.

Interesting story:

1. What was your purpose for confronting the OP and what did you say/do?

Some of it was a macho thing to be honest. Most of it was partial closure for me.

2. What happened? What was the outcome?

I’d gotten to the point where it was decision time for me, and I called him to tell him that he could have her and I wanted nothing more to do with her. I told my wife of the call what I told him. The blood drained from her face when I showed call details showing that I called the guy she’d been seeing. I tossed the phone on the bed and walked to get my suitcase as I’d decided to leave then & there. My wife stayed in the room while I calmly packed and listened to her tell me how much she loved me, how little the OP means to her, and how this was all the worst mistake of her life, etc. he OP ended up hearing things like, “He means nothing to me. Please don’t pack. You can’t leave.” More things about how unimportant he really was to her and so on. A short time later I was in the basement getting other things to take. The house phone rang and it was the OP calling my wife. I was downstairs and didn’t hear the phone. A couple of minutes later my wife came down and told me of the call, and that he’d heard everything we were saying upstairs. He didn’t answer the call and it filled his voice mail with several minutes of her rantings & crying of how little the OP meant to her, etc. The call he made to her on the house phone basically told her to end all contact and things were over. The following day the OP called my cell while I was at work. When I had called him the previous evening, I blocked my cell number, and the accidental on was also blocked as it was a re-dial. I asked him how he had my number and he admitted to taking it and many others from my wife’s cell phone months earlier. He then asked if I had intentionally called him & left the line open. When I explained the accident he could see how it happened with flinging the phone. I was able to get quite a bit of information regarding the questions I’d had for some time. I was even able to find out that the OP had been on outings with my wife and she even brought our our eight year old son with them. It turned out that a couple we knew went double-dating with them on more than one occasion. In simple terms there were apparently no limits as far as my wife’s conduct was concerned.

3. If you were to do it again, would you do it differently? What did you learn?

While some of the information stung quite a bit, it was good to know and I realize that I needed it. It cleared up many mysteries surrounding the previous months and allowed me to stop wrestling with my own destructive guilt & shame. I was able properly see that there was no way for me to anticipate or counter what she did. There were no warnings that tipped me off and no horns of alarm. Of course, having gone through this experience, I now see things quite differently. I see that while there were no warnings horns, there were things that I was missed in our relationship. Things that may have had a difference, no matter how small. But the bottom line is that I was able to stop torturing myself for bad decisions that she decided to make regarding her lack of commitment to our children and me.

Confronting the OP: When Infidelity is Over

With the separation physically and emotionally almost complete (resolution of the relationship) the wounded spouse calls the OP out of concern – mostly.

It’s time to move one. Calling the OP was probably one of the final pieces in that moving on process.

1. What was your purpose for confronting the OP and what did you say/do?

Tired of bill collectors calling and figured his lack of money was due to still giving her money. Now separated so figured I had nothing to loose and she should know the truth about what she was getting into. Also to tell her I tested positive for an STD. She should know and although my ex knew about it and said he had told her, he didn’t after all…she doesn’t deserve to have anything, but it came from her in the first place, most likely.

2. What happened? What was the outcome?

She and I had a good conversation and she did keep it confidential. I think she would rather have the truth than find out later on. Wish his ex’s wife had filled me in. She agreed. Supporting someone is not fun when there is nothing in return but more cheating.

3. If you were to do it again, would you do it differently? What did you learn?

Wouldn’t change a thing.

Putting up with the Affair: How Far?

How much do you put up with? How much do you tolerate?

Most are willing and somewhat able to tolerate or put up with a great deal when the affair or infidelity is first discovered. And, the reasons usually have some validity: want to spare the children, not ready to start a new life, determined to keep the family together, hoping this affair will blow over, and more.

But, at some point (or points) what one tolerates or puts up with becomes too much and decisions are made. Please understand this may be a fairly lengthy (months) and painful process.

So what do people tolerate? These readers give you some idea:

****simultaneous chatting with his affairs, sending them gifts, going out for the weekends (while telling me he was working hard), expending the money we need for paying bills,keeping his laptop and important papers hidden

****FB-flirting Text messages to lovers Blaming me to be the source of troubles Blaming me of being jealous and possessive Ignoring my pain

****His not wanting to talk about The other woman at the same workplace still Old flirting behaviors are still there (with any other woman) Seems to not keep his cell phone in the open, but when I ask, he is quite willing to hand it to me. When I start hurting his comment is “oh here we go again”

****He continues to see her every day at work. He talks/messages her on his cell phone. She blames me for their affair. He doesn’t come straight home from work.

****1) He still takes her phone calls every day, saying if he doesn’t answer she’ll just keep calling and calling 2) He says it is “completely over”, although he sees her at work and talks to her on the phone often (they work in a big hospital) 3) He refuses to acknowledge my conufsed/hurt feelings that she is completely still in his life, despite his words that they “are done” 4) He gets angry at me quickly and says that I need to “rise above”, be the better person and get over it – even though SHE can’t let go of him! (he defends her saying she’s weak and is struggling to let go of him and that it will probably take her time) 5) She still calls in the middle of the night sometimes – our home phone, his cell phone – AND EVEN MY CELL PHONE! …again, he says she’s struggling and eventually it will end

****lack of affection lack of consideration constant text messages with other woman hanging out with friends and not being included selfishness

****We are separated due to his affair with the secretary, they are working together, and I could not continue with him because it was impossible to trust him with this woman, still I am suffering knowing that they are together and he is not present in our son’s life because of her, I am putting up with a lots of anger, and hate but do not hate him , I still love him and care about him but seeing my son in fatherless sutuation just kills me, I have to put up with a lots of problems that he creat us under his mistress influence. I like to be in peace and live in love like before I had great family, full of love But I just do not know what happened, I ask every day question, what went wrong . it is very difficult. I just want to end this sufferring situation.