Infidelity: Confronting and Spying on the Other Person

Some use confronting the other person to spy and gain information for the future, as in this case study:

1. What was your purpose for confronting the OP and what did you say/do?

Called him in his far-away city. Purpose: Record conversation for an alienation of affection lawsuit. “Marriage Made Me Do It” type of affair. Asked what he thought was going to happen to my kids when I found out about the affair.

2. What happened? What was the outcome?

He told me to “get over it, dude”. He insincerely apologized. He said it was his fault. He said they didn’t have sex. He said that because they didn’t have sex it wasn’t an affair.

3. If you were to do it again, would you do it differently? What did you learn?

I learned that he is a pompous narcissistic asshole who is willing to cheat on his wife, and my wife doesn’t see that. To do differently- probably nothing else. 20 minutes of him incriminating himself was enough along with the other evidence.

Coach’s Comments:

1. It is common for someone who blames their marriage for the infidelity to fall for a narcissist. The narcissist projects power and can adapt him/herself to fit the expectations of the “My Marriage Made Me Do It” person. This is the art of seduction. Once s/he scores, it’s usually over.

2. I’m not an expert on spying, but it seems that a direct confrontation with the other person is a risky way to obtain information, unless the attorney briefed him on what to do. A PI usually has more experience in such matters.

Confronting the other Man: Seeing the End of the Marriage

When confronting the other man, when is enough enough?

1. What was your purpose for confronting the OP and what did you say/do?

My purpose for confronting the other married man my wife was having an affair with was to approach him as a man to man fighting for the marriage. I told him that he was causing our marriage to fall apart and asked that he back off and allow my wife and I the chance to reconcile for the sake of the kids and our families… plus I still loved her as sad as that may sound.

2. What happened? What was the outcome?

At first he threatened me over the phone that if I let anything out about his relationship with my wife to his wife that his family would have ways to deal with me and that I didn’t know what I was messing with. He basically threatened my life. Oh, he also denied that he had done anything wrong by being involved with my wife even thought it was kept a secret from his wife and my wife tried to keep it secret from me and even took extreme measures to hide it i.e. adding him to her mobile to mobile group so she wouldn’t rack up huge cell bills and having the billing address changed to a secret P.O. Box. Anyway, the outcome was that he promised to back out of our lives and would respect my request that we be allowed to try and save our marriage. I in turned agreed not to tell his wife of his secret. (I basically just wanted the bastard to go away) In the end, things continued but even more secret, they tried to be more careful not to leave evidence but I had installed a PC spy program, voice recorder on out home phone etc… I knew the truth even though it was denied over and over again. In the end, my wife divorced me, she now dates this slime and has involved our 2 daughters ages 13 & 15 into the affair, he buys them visa gift cards and takes them out to dinner etc… all still behind his wifes back. I ended up with over $40,000 in attorney fees from allowing it to drag on for over 2 1/2 years trying to reason some sense into my ex-wifes head… it didn’t work unfortunately.

3. If you were to do it again, would you do it differently? What did you learn?

If I were to do it again, I would have filed for divorce immediately, got all the evidence of the affair in order to present to his wife once I had moved out with my children. Instead, I let my emotions rule my better judgment and I allowed myself to be further victimized by the affair.

Coach’s Comments:

A common but difficult question: When does the writing on the wall say… no more. This is and never will work?

In this case study the man in hindsight should have pulled the plug on the relationship earlier, before spending $40,000 and countless sleepless nights.
And yet, if you’ve been there, that is easier said than done, is it not?

How was he to know? What were the markers along the way that said the relationship was beyond repair?

Well, the other man’s threats were red flag number one. Threats are primitive. Threats indicate an unhealthy person with little flexibility, insight and sensitivity to others.

The continued secrets and lies, after the alleged agreement, were another red flag that he was headed for trouble. No honor.

It is also problematic to set up an agreement with a triangle (you the OP and your spouse) with the hope that it will remain intact and honored. After all, isn’t an affair a blatant disregard for marriage vows? How can one expect someone who easily and consistently break those vows to honor other agreements?

A telling statement of this man is his “feelings or emotions ruled.” His time and energy would have been more effectively spent disengaging himself from those feelings (remaining calm in the face of infidelity and the pain, hurt, loss, anger) so that other strategies for different types of affairs could be used to alter his relationship with his wife.

Confronting the Other Man: Finding Truth of Infidelity

If you are searching for the truth, consider going directly to the other person.

Weigh this carefully. Determine the type of affair you are probably facing. (Confrontation might be damaging and less effective for particular types of affairs, better for others.) Rehearse what you want to say. Charge neutral. And… good luck.

Case study:

1. What was your purpose for confronting the OP and what did you say/do?

I had not yet confronted my wife and suspected that she would not be forthcoming when I did confront her; I had the smoking-gun evidence and figured my best chance to get a confession was from the OP. When he answered the phone, I said hello, identified myself as my wife’s spouse, told him I was not going to hassle him, but needed a question asked: did you sleep with my wife?

2. What happened? What was the outcome?

He said, ‘Aww man, don’t put this on me’ (verbatim), and hung up.

3. If you were to do it again, would you do it differently? What did you learn?

Although that was not an outright confession, his response confirmed for me that he knew exactly what I was talking about. When I later confronted my wife, and over the course of several months, bluffed her into telling me all of the truth I will ever get out of her.Being able to relay what the OP had said seemed to weaken the bond between them. Left to my interpretation, his words meant, ‘Don’t blame me, blame your wife’. I’m not sure how I would handle it if I had it over to do again. I am a very emotional person, and require that I deal with emotional experiences fully – so I guess I would handle it the same unless I was grieving differently.

Coach’s Comments:

There obviously is a huge gap in this marriage. Fear of confrontation? Guilt? Shame? We don’t know. We do know that the husband believed his wife was so tightly shut down that they could not engage in a constructive conversation. Whether this was a long standing pattern or a result of the infidelity, again, we don’t know.

Confronting the other man seemed to work well for him in discerning the truth. Direct. Charging neutral. His approach and demeanor with the other person most likely was helpful in getting a response which helped clarify the truth.

His intervention with the other man, as well, seemingly shut off some of the juice of the affair relationship. In this case, a nice by-product of the confrontation. (Do you get the feeling that the other man was “using” his wife and didn’t want HER problems?)